Session Start: Tue Jul 07 00:00:00 2015 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[15:22]<Quantos> Morning guys
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[17:36]<@BC_Programming> heh Tigerdirect responded to my support request, I basically asked if it was possible to get tracking info for it
[17:36]<@BC_Programming> They gave me tracking info, coincidentally, it was shipped yesterday
[17:36]<@Calum> Seems legit.
[17:37]<@BC_Programming> yeah I wonder when it would have shipped if I said nothing :P
[17:37]<@Calum> Well, I'm sure it would've shipped yesterday, totally a coincidence
[17:37]<@BC_Programming> two other items arrived yesterday actually- the RAM and a floppy drive/card reader, though the latter was for my old desktop
[17:38]<@BC_Programming> yeah I'm imagining them getting the support request and going "oh crap, we should probably send that"
[17:39]<@BC_Programming> To their credit it is on some sort of express thing, predicted to be here tomorrow
[17:39]<@BC_Programming> watch it just be the Case
[17:46]<@Calum> heh, hopefully not
[17:48]<@BC_Programming> or everything but the case
[17:48]<@BC_Programming> I think I might avoid TD in the future... I've found Amazon actually, you know, sends me stuff
[17:48]<@Calum> Yeah, that'd put me off
[17:50]<@Calum> that Xeon is being a pig to overclock, very finicky. I got it stable overnight, it ran for about 16 hours or something, came home to a blue screen, fiddled with some settings, made it worse
[17:50]<@Calum> it's done about half an hour now, not sure how stable it is yet
[17:50]<@BC_Programming> Speedfan causes this computer to bluescreen
[17:50]<@BC_Programming> not really relevant but I thought it was funny
[17:51]<@Calum> Heh, I don't really like Speedfan, too fiddly
[17:51]<@BC_Programming> hwmonitor works
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[17:51]<@Calum> Yeah, I've grown to like hwmonitor more recently, I don't remember why I used to not use it at all
[17:52]<@BC_Programming> I think speedfan was supposed to be for controlling the speed of fans, I guess that is in the name
[17:52]<@Calum> Main thing I find useful vs say realtemp or core temp is it (usually) shows all available clock speeds, so for example on this dual-CPU rig I can see which cores of which CPU are hitting turbo mode
[17:52]<@Calum> whereas realtemp etc only shows one clock speed
[17:53]<@Calum> and hwmonitor shows min/max so you can see if it has hit turbo or throttled down even for a second
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[18:12]<Quantos> You're OC'ing a Xeon, which one Calum?
[18:21]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[18:29]<Quantos> Heya Cam
[18:31]<+camerongray> Hey Quantos
[18:33]<@jacky> Calum: Hello
[18:35]<+camerongray> Hey jacky
[18:35]<@BC_Programming> he said hi to Calum, not you, wait your turn
[18:35]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[18:35]<@jacky> yeah
[18:35]<@jacky> what he said
[18:35]<+camerongray> oh, bollocks :P
[18:35]<+camerongray> Same first letter, close enough
[18:36]<@jacky> notice how he's not talking to me?
[18:36]<@jacky> he understands respect
[18:36]<@jacky> >g<
[18:36]<+camerongray> In the same way ordering my new access point to an address with the same number as my office was "close enough"
[18:36]<+camerongray> When in fact it was my old address, derp!#
[18:36]<@jacky> close counts in horseshoes and hand grenades
[18:38]<@BC_Programming> and cooking possum
[18:38]<+camerongray> Oh yeah jacky, good news on the radio front - Moving to a new flat that has a balcony so I can put the antennas up outside now
[18:39]<@jacky> but not the eating of possums. that requires accuracy
[18:39]<@jacky> camerongray: you know the antenna rule?
[18:39]<@jacky> did I ever tell you?
[18:39]<+camerongray> nope
[18:39]<@jacky> if it is still up, a year later, it is either not big enough, or not high enough
[18:40]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[18:40]<@jacky> :)
[18:40]<@BC_Programming> I was also amused
[18:40]<+camerongray> The hackerspace in Edinburgh also has a similar SDR setup with proper antennas on the roof I was playing with
[18:40]<@jacky> hackerspace ?
[18:40]<@jacky> what's that?
[18:41]<@BC_Programming> it's a walking contest for hackers
[18:41]<@BC_Programming> hackers-pace
[18:41]<+camerongray> Basically a workshop that people can go to and make stuff/play with things
[18:41]<+camerongray> http://edinburghhacklab.com/
[18:41]<@jacky> that's called a basement
[18:41]<@jacky> or "garage"
[18:41]<+camerongray> hehe
[18:41]<@jacky> hehe
[18:41]<@jacky> is beer involved?
[18:41]<+camerongray> They have an active whip like I have, a FM broadcast yagi and a HF magloop
[18:41]<@BC_Programming> car hold
[18:41]<+camerongray> much beer
[18:41]<@jacky> whew. that's number 1
[18:41]<+camerongray> I recently built a VHF/UHF dipole so been playing with that
[18:41]<@BC_Programming> you need a whip in your dungeon for sure
[18:42]<@jacky> camerongray: did you cut it for a specific frequency?
[18:42]<@jacky> hehe
[18:42]<+camerongray> And now I've just realised that I went to all the effort of setting up a turnstile antenna on top of the lab and recording the satellite band and just discovered I hadn't connected on of the dipoles
[18:42]<@jacky> camerongray: what kind of feeline are you using, too?
[18:42]<+camerongray> I used big thick telescopic antennas
[18:42]<+camerongray> 75ohm coax (I think)
[18:43]<@jacky> I used big thick telescopic antennas << for the elements of the dipole?
[18:43]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:43]<+camerongray> Seems to work surprisingly well
[18:43]<@jacky> 75ohm coax (I think) << over here, that is what is used by cable TV companies, and is a decent match for a dipole.
[18:43]<+camerongray> Cool!
[18:43]<@jacky> I used big thick telescopic antennas << how long?
[18:44]<+camerongray> like 170mm to 1200mm
[18:44]<@jacky> uhh...
[18:44]<+camerongray> (fight me for using metric) :P
[18:44]<+camerongray> I worked out it goes from 50MHz to about 450MHz
[18:44]<@jacky> is that the length of one half (to the feedpoint in the middle) or the whole element?
[18:44]<@jacky> that's ok.. actually. I'd just do it in meters. :)
[18:45]<@jacky> 1200mm is 1.2 meters, right?
[18:45]<+camerongray> One half
[18:45]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:45]<@jacky> so the element is 2.4 meters long?
[18:45]<+camerongray> yeah, at max
[18:45]<+camerongray> It's quite cool how directional they are - Was able to stand on top of the hacklab and point to all the different cities and watch their local FM stations fade in and out
[18:45]<@jacky> and a dipole is a half wave antenna... so that would be close to the 5 meter band
[18:46]<@jacky> and without calculating.. that's somewhere around 6 Mhz
[18:46]<@jacky> It's quite cool how directional they are <<< what kind of antena is this now? a multi-element yagi?
[18:46]<+camerongray> The dipole
[18:46]<+camerongray> Even that was fairy directional when horizontal
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[18:46]<@jacky> add a parasitic element and see what happens!
[18:46]<@jacky> hehehe
[18:47]<@jacky> +camerongray> Even that was fairy directional when horizontal <<< lobes off the sides. both sides. Yes. weakest signal should be off the ends.
[18:47]<+camerongray> Isn't the 5meter band around 40-50MHz
[18:47]<@jacky> should be. but I'm fuzzy. would have to think, or best to google and refresh myself
[18:48]<+camerongray> So yeah, we spent most of Sunday on the roof and in the attic of the hacklab with a laptop playing with radios :P
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[18:48]<@jacky> in rough terms.. lingo.. the "6 meter" ham band is 50 to 54 Mhz
[18:48]<@jacky> of that, I'm prety sure
[18:48]<@jacky> but.. they may have rounded the actual numbers some
[18:48]<+camerongray> Yeah, sounds about right
[18:48]<@jacky> what's the formula to convert? 300/freq in Mhz = meters?
[18:49]<@jacky> got it handy?
[18:49]<@jacky> I don't trust my memmory
[18:49]<@jacky> but that feels familiar
[18:50]<+camerongray> I think so yeah
[18:50]<+camerongray> I was using 147/freq to work out the length of the dipole which is half wave
[18:51]<@jacky> if I recall.. that one is 462 / freq in MHz
[18:51]<@jacky> due to atmosphere, etc. changes the lenght from the theorectical
[18:51]<+camerongray> Maybe for ft?
[18:51]<+camerongray> This is also for VHF/UHF
[18:51]<+camerongray> For HF I still use that active whip
[18:51]<@jacky> when in doubt: the bigger the better
[18:51]<@jacky> heh
[18:52]<@jacky> but.. at that VHF and UHF stuff... you can make yourself some nice little HIGHLY directional yagis
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[18:52]<@jacky> just dipoles, on a boom.. parastic
[18:52]<@jacky> getting shorter, for directors
[18:52]<@jacky> and one that is lnger, for a reflector
[18:52]<@jacky> make on on a broomstick... bore holes through it
[18:52]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:53]<+camerongray> Also tempted to build a QFH for weather satellites
[18:53]<@jacky> what's that?
[18:54]<+camerongray> Fun :P
[18:54]<@jacky> "QFH" ?
[18:54]<+camerongray> http://www.g4ilo.com/qfh.html
[18:55]<+camerongray> SDRs make stuff like satellites really cool since it's dead easy to feed the signal into decoding software
[18:55]<@jacky> ( I think that I got it wrong. not 462, but 468 ... didn't look right, and I had to go look it up. just fyi)
[18:56]<+camerongray> ahh cool
[18:56]<@jacky> cool.. a blend of a quad and a helix?
[18:56]<@jacky> I was about to mention quads, too
[18:56]<@jacky> neat
[18:56]<@jacky> see his callsign ? heheheeh
[18:57]<+camerongray> yeah?
[18:57]<@jacky> oh wow... :(
[18:58]<@jacky> just quickly looking him up.. and first hit says he is a silent key
[18:58]<@jacky> SILENT KEY October 24, 2014
[18:58]<@jacky> that's jargon.. for "dead"
[18:58]<+camerongray> aww, that's a shame :(
[18:59]<@jacky> more searching
[18:59]<@jacky> https://hamgear.wordpress.com/2014/10/26/in-memoriam-g4ilo/
[19:00]<@jacky> https://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?455077-G4ILO-SILENT-KEY
[19:02]<+camerongray> :(
[19:04]<@jacky> well... you should get your ticket and take up his study(s)
[19:04]<@jacky> :)
[19:04]<+camerongray> haha yeah. definitely want to build that antenna now
[19:05]<@Calum> Apologies, I was in a game and then Cassie rang - good evening (afternoon) jacky, and hey camerongray
[19:05]<@jacky> good afternoon(evening)
[19:05]<@jacky> heh
[19:06]<+camerongray> If the QFH works well enough I could even stick it on top of the hacklab and open it up to the internet to use
[19:06]<@jacky> see?
[19:06]<+camerongray> All I'd need would be another dongle which is like £10
[19:06]<@jacky> see??
[19:06]<@jacky> hehe
[19:07]<@jacky> then, you could interface it to the 1.2 GHz band, and.. and ...
[19:07]<@BC_Programming> need more gigawatts
[19:07]<+camerongray> hehe
[19:07]<@jacky> <&BC_Programming> need more gigawatts << Love your style!! :)
[19:08]<+camerongray> Ugh, bloody Windows update
[19:08]<@jacky> although at that freq, with maybe a hundred watts and a multi el beam antenna... I wouldn't want to stand in front of it
[19:08]<@jacky> seriously
[19:08]<+camerongray> My SDR laptop has decided it wants to update and is sucking all the CPU power the radio software needs
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Session Start: Tue Jul 07 19:55:52 2015 Session Ident: #glitchpc [19:55] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[19:55] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[19:57]<+camerongray> Woo! 189 updates! Super fun!
[19:58]<@BC_Programming> IF you want more you can try Windows 10
[19:58]<@BC_Programming> it practically reinstalls itself every week or so
[19:59]<+camerongray> hahaha
[19:59]<+camerongray> BUT OMG IT WILL FORCE ME TO UPDATE
[19:59]<+camerongray> Microsoft are evil.etc
[19:59]<+camerongray> How dare they give me a free upgrade!
[20:00]<@BC_Programming> They will rue the day
[20:00]<+camerongray> One slightly concerning thing is that I haven't received the update notification on any of my Windows 7 Pro machines
[20:00]<@BC_Programming> What confuses me is all these articles about features in win10 like the one where it gives out your wifi password. I can't seem to find these features...
[20:00]<+camerongray> i.e. all of mine at home apart from one that runs home premium (which has the icon) and my one at work, none show it
[20:01]<+camerongray> Yeah, I don't quite like that idea
[20:01]<@BC_Programming> yeah but I can't even find the feature
[20:01]<@BC_Programming> it doesn't even seem to exist
[20:01]<+camerongray> I explicitly have a guest network for that reason
[20:01]<+camerongray> Okay, the reason is actually "Because I can", I admit it :P
[20:02]<@BC_Programming> you are forgiven
[20:03]<+camerongray> Did I show you what I did to my network?
[20:03]<+camerongray> Presume I did
[20:03]<@BC_Programming> I think so
[20:03]<@BC_Programming> some pictures with network stuff
[20:03]<@BC_Programming> network stuff is boring
[20:03]<+camerongray> Yeah
[20:03]<+camerongray> haha
[20:03]<+camerongray> YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
[20:03]<@BC_Programming> I had somebody argue that C# is terrible because of WCF
[20:03]<+camerongray> haah
[20:03]<@BC_Programming> evidently they haven't heard of doing your own network programming
[20:04]<@BC_Programming> (or the fact that that is actually part of the framework, and not the language)
[20:11]<+camerongray> BAHAH, I love some of the comments from complete idiots that think they know everything on Make Use Of's facebook posts: http://imgur.com/RqcfhZL
[20:11]<+camerongray> You mean, like Ethernet?
[20:12]<@BC_Programming> lol
[20:12]<@BC_Programming> I like that they seem to think the U in USB means "United"
[20:12]<+camerongray> yep
[20:13]<@BC_Programming> "United States of Bus"
[20:15]<@BC_Programming> Did you see my TigerDirect Rant earlier btw? That's hilarious
[20:16]<@BC_Programming> ordered on June 7th, complained on Saturday more or less asking if I could have up to date tracking information since I only had to tracking to their warehouse, and they sent me tracking and it was suspiciously shipped Yesterday
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[20:16]<+camerongray> haha
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[20:17]<Quantos> Hey guys, I have one HDD running 10 degrees hotter than the others, this a sign it's on it's way out?
[20:18]<@BC_Programming> No, it's a sign that it's hotter
[20:18]<+camerongray> haha
[20:18]<+camerongray> Drives do tend to run at different temperatures
[20:19]<@BC_Programming> I don't think temperatures would be useful to determine whether a drive is failing
[20:19]<@BC_Programming> whether it is having actual access issues would likely be a better indicator
[20:19]<Quantos> Yeah, this one is an old hitachi, it passes the tests but 10C is a big jump
[20:19]<+camerongray> Nah, that'll be fine
[20:25]<Quantos> Ah cool, it's one of my backup drives so I wasn't sure
[20:25]<@BC_Programming> If it catches fire you can disregard our advice
[20:25]<Quantos> LOL
[20:26]<@Calum> heh, I was going to say - sort of depends, 10C hotter than what? if your other drives are at 60C you probably have an issue ;)
[20:26]<@BC_Programming> yeah I was thinking, "Dude your computer is on fire" "nah on IRC they said it was fine"
[20:27]<Quantos> LMAO
[20:27]<Quantos> No, the other drives are hovering around 30C
[20:27]<Quantos> The one in question is hitting 40C pretty consistently
[20:28]<@BC_Programming> all my drives are in 40C range, myself
[20:28]<Quantos> Oh okay, it's probably nothing then
[20:28]<@Calum> Yeah, nothing to worry about there then
[20:28]<@Calum> some drives do run a bit warmer than others
[20:31]<Quantos> I managed to get all four cores on the i5 running at 100%, under load she's doing 55C - I think that's pretty impressive for HP stock cooler too
[20:31]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, how did you sort it?
[20:31]<Quantos> It idles at about 30
[20:31]<@BC_Programming> Ascending order
[20:31]<+camerongray> :D
[20:32]<Quantos> Well, I reseated the sink and replaced the paste again, then instead of speedfan I went with CPUID
[20:32]<Quantos> On your suggestion I might add
[20:32]<+camerongray> Ahh, so it was probably just software
[20:32]<Quantos> Probably
[20:33]<Quantos> Scared the crap out of me when it was idling at 68C
[20:33]<@BC_Programming> if reseating the sink failed, the toilet was the next option
[20:33]<Quantos> I was going to do some fabricating and mount it in a minifridge
[20:33]<Quantos> But the humidity might not be good for it
[20:34]<@BC_Programming> yeah and the fridge compressor dying within a week might not be ideal either
[20:35]<Quantos> Yeah, that'd be just my luck too
[20:35]<+camerongray> Yeah, condensation would wreck it I imagine
[20:35]<@Calum> Mhm
[20:35]<Quantos> But it would leak through a pinhole that magically appeared in the lines
[20:36]<Quantos> 'Hang on guys, I have to defrost my computer...'
[20:36]<Quantos> 'Do you mean reboot?'
[20:36]<+camerongray> It's strange, I've had my PC largely unchanged for over 3 years, still runs fine
[20:36]<Quantos> That's not the one you kick right?
[20:36]<+camerongray> haha
[20:36]<@BC_Programming> my old computer is fine
[20:36]<+camerongray> Apart from swapping out the GPU, there's really nothing I feel like I need to change
[20:36]<@BC_Programming> the new floppy drive decides not to work sometimes for some reason
[20:37]<Quantos> My old core2Duo is doing fine too, I want to set it up as a HTPC sometime soon though I think
[20:41]<Quantos> I was going to add a GPU to the i5, but I have to look for half height half length cards that will fit on a 240W PSU
[20:41]<Quantos> And I'm lazy
[20:41]<@BC_Programming> I put a GT200 in a half-size case a while ago
[20:41]<+camerongray> Probably worse than the integrated though on that i5
[20:42]<Quantos> I'm pretty sure it's HD 2500
[20:42]<+camerongray> Probably 3xxx since it's ivy
[20:42]<Quantos> It's doing what I want it to do
[20:42]<Quantos> Oh, you think so Cam?
[20:43]<@Calum> camerongray, you just reminded me of the CAD guys at work...trying to explain that their old 8400GS was not in any way, shape or form better than the integrated on their Haswell i5...I mean, I'm only IT, why would I know anything
[20:43]<+camerongray> haha, wow
[20:43]<@Calum> they're still convinced what they have now is slower than what they had
[20:44]<@Calum> Core 2/4GB/8400GS vs i5-4670/16GB/SSD, sure it's slower...rolleyes
[20:45]<@Calum> Autodesk products are a royal PITA though as they're single threaded for 99% of their operations
[20:45]<+camerongray> Because OMG new technology is bad
[20:45]<@BC_Programming> 3ds max uses multiple threads
[20:45]<@Calum> maybe it's because they have to actually do work instead of sitting waiting for AutoCAD to load
[20:46]<@Calum> ah, I'm talking about AutoCAD and Revit mainly
[20:46]<Quantos> Hmm, interesting speccy says it's just Intel HD Graphics
[20:46]<@BC_Programming> it should show in device manager
[20:46]<@Calum> some of it is multithreaded but mainly just the viewing and rendering parts, which isn't somewhere they spend much time
[20:47]<Quantos> It just shows Intel HD Graphics
[20:49]<Quantos> This shows it as HD 2500 though http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i53470
[20:50]<@BC_Programming> hmm that's odd Quantos. I see "Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600" in my device manager, I wonder why it wouldn't show it
[20:51]<Quantos> Intel shows it as a HD 2500 as well http://ark.intel.com/products/68316/Intel-Core-i5-3470-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz
[20:51]<Quantos> I wasn't aware it had turbo
[20:56]<Quantos> Trying to make heads or tails of this silly BIOS, why can't HP just use a standard BIOS
[21:00]<@Calum> I think I'd settle for them having a website that works, it's bloody awful
[21:00]<@Calum> half the time I need it it times out or their FTP links are broken, it's dreadful
[21:00]<Quantos> Oh I know eh
[21:00]<Quantos> I just turned up the fan on the cpu, it's sounding like it's ready for lift off
[21:01]<Quantos> Still getting louder
[21:01]<@Calum> I joked today whether our IT manager would notice if he came back from his holiday and we replaced *everything* with Dell...he probably wouldn't
[21:02]<Quantos> Is he that inept?
[21:02]<@BC_Programming> I used a compressed air cannister with my Logitech G502's scroll whell with the button set so it scrolls freely
[21:02]<@BC_Programming> makes it spin super fast
[21:03]<@Calum> he's more incompetent than words can tell
[21:03]<Quantos> Hmm, that reduced my at load temps by 10C
[21:03]<Quantos> But I can't hear anything
[21:05]<@Calum> Time for me to head off, catch you later all.
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